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"The
music business is run by lawyers and accountants, and they don't really
care about the integrity of art."
"You
can make nicely crafted things, whether they're poems, sculptures, paintings,
records, CDs, whatever. But they'll just be that -- nice. They won't
be unwieldy as personal expression often can be."
"What
do a toilet bowl and a woman's vagina have in common? They both need
to be cleaned with Lysol."
"That's
an issue I'm dealing with here: what is going to happen with this next
generation of kids? What is their culture but media culture? What hasn't
been sanitized and homogenized?"
"There's
some thing in the American psyche, it's almost this kind of right or
privilege to resolve our conflicts with violence. There's an arrogance
to that concept. To actually have to sit down and talk, to listen, to
compromise, that's hard work. To go for the gun, that's the cowardly
act."
"Unlike
other wars, to win this one we don't have to ration, just rationalize.
In fact, the more fossil fuel we burn up during the conflict, the more
essential the conflict becomes. Think of it this way -- every time you
stick that 25-gallon bottle in your Durango's mouth, it's like purchasing
a $45 war bond."
"For
me, satire is a powerful tool and it's not sufficiently used; it's not
just for late-night jokes but really to promote fundamental change.
And it's inevitable that when you attempt to change the status quo,
you're going to make some people upset. That's the price of change."
"Bush's
fractured language is shot through with hints that he subscribes to
the eschatological program of the Christian right. This is sincere,
unfortunately -- not mere "religious jingoism." In his mind, it has
no "ramifications," but simply is what's right."
Ray
knows well enough that the monolith called film -- and by extension,
Hollywood -- was built upon what the French termed "trompe l'oiel",
a trick of the eye. And he tricks everyone, including his own viewers,
with this layered onion of a film until they're all left confused
and crying.
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The
Freedom to Wait": An Interview with Adrien Brody, The Pianist
by
Cynthia Fuchs
Adrien Brody wears silvery sneakers with his black suit. He looks
slightly weary, and awaits his pancakes. Aside from time out for making
a music video with Tori Amos, for "A Sorta Fairytale" (in which he spends
most of his onscreen time as his head attached to a hand, only), Brody
has been traveling during the past year, promoting The Pianist. Based
on the 1946 memoirs of Wladyslaw Szpilman, a Polish Jew and composer-pianist
who hid in Nazi-occupied Warsaw, in and around the Jewish ghetto, Roman
Polanski's Palm d'Or-winning film also incorporates some of his own
memories of the ghetto, from which he escaped at age 7. While the 29-year-old
New York native has worked on any number of rewarding and difficult
films in the recent past -- including Spike Lee's Summer of Sam and
Barry Levinson's Liberty Heights (both 1999), Ken Loach's Bread and
Roses and Elie Chouraqui's Harrison's Flowers (both 2000) -- few had
the effect on him of Terrence Malick's The Thin Red Line (1998), from
which most of his part was, now famously, cut. This after spending months
shooting in Australia. For The Pianist, Brody committed himself wholly,
learning to play Chopin and speak Polish, losing thirty pounds to shoot
the final ghetto scenes, when Szpilman was starving nearly to death,
working for months in an abandoned Soviet Army barracks in Jüterbog,
a former East German town outside Berlin. Remembering these months,
he looks pensive, a little sad. Unlike most filmmaking experiences,
this one was grueling, wondrous, and life-changing. We spoke first about
his opportunities.
Cynthia Fuchs:
You've had the chance to work with incredibly respected directors --
Steven Soderbergh, Terrence Malick, Spike Lee, Ken Loach, Barry Levinson,
and now, Roman Polanski.
Adrien Brody: It is unusual, I think, and I feel very fortunate
to have had the opportunity to experience all of these interesting,
creative people's styles. Not only in a career sense has it been good
for me, but I've been personally influenced by it. People are "good"
for a reason, and they all have wonderful qualities that I've learned
from. I also come in contact with these projects because I'm looking
for material that's somewhat inspirational. And I'm fortunate that I'm
able to hold off and not necessarily do things just for the sake of
working. Unfortunately, most actors don't have that luxury. Somehow,
I've managed to do that.
CF: How have
you managed?
AB: My parents have raised me with a sense of what's really important
and have given me decent values, and I'm comfortable, but I haven't
lived an excessive lifestyle in the least. And I've kept my expenses
to a minimum so that I have the freedom to wait.
CF: I grew
up in a house with an illustrator and photographer, and I'm wondering
what it was like to grow up in a house with your mother, photojournalist
Sylvia Plachy?
AB: I was surrounded with her pictures everywhere, negatives
hanging in the bathroom, prints drying on record racks in the hallway,
film canisters being rinsed out in the tub. And I went with her on assignments,
or down to the Village Voice offices. And my father [Elliot Brody]
was a public school teacher in New York. He's been a great father to
me, really encouraging and patient. So all of those things have shaped
me, as well as the environment on the streets, which was entirely different.
It was difficult, and that too has shaped me. So, I had this nurturing
home life, but I know what's out there too, on a very real level. And
unfortunately, my friends who didn't have that home life, it's been
more difficult for them. I have friends who went to art school with
me, whom I knew from Queens. We'd take the train in together to go to
[High School for the] Performing Arts, and they had to let a lot of
it go. First of al, they weren't encouraged, it's very competitive,
and they had no money. We didn't have much, but they had none, and so
they had to step out into the world and just start supporting themselves.
And you lose track.

War in isolation. "What's remarkable
is that the character is somewhat detached from everything, and
isn't typically heroic." |
Fortunately, I began
acting before supporting myself became an issue. You don't make much
money from independent films and theater that's off-off-off Broadway,
and workshops at BAM [Brooklyn Academy of Music], which I was doing
when I was young. But I did manage to get an occasional commercial that
would supplement my income for a while. I didn't have the pressure of
being out on my own, studying for years and then arriving in L.A. I
was able to work toward something for a long time. And I'm still working
towards it. None of those films with those great directors was presented
to me. It was all a struggle to get them. Looking back on it, it's interesting
that I was able to get so many roles like that and be right for them.
That's another thing. There are the obstacles of your position as an
actor, not being a commodity enough to be hired by the big directors
for projects that have some kind of integrity, because the successful
actors who've been in the game for a while want those roles. So there's
more competition, so you have to work harder and be right for it.
CF: You're
almost uncannily right for Wladyslaw Szpilman. On its face, it seems
so daunting, not just because it's so large, but also because it's about
receding over time, almost caving into yourself.
AB: It's hard to describe it. For one thing, I had to shoot it
in reverse chronology, and it was hard to be completely involved with
that end state of being that this man ended up in, and not taking that
journey, even as a character. And then I had to eliminate all of those
feelings that I had cultivated over time, to connect with him, and then
make it seem as though, not only had I never experienced them, but they
were infeasible for him and everyone around him. What's remarkable is
that the character is somewhat detached from everything, and isn't typically
heroic. There were extended periods of silence, where I was just called
to react. I'd never had that opportunity in a film, and that's a whole
different process. There's not another actor there who's either inspirational
or who picks up some of the slack. You have to stay on, and there's
no moment to escape being immersed in that state of mind. No moment
whatsoever, on set and off. Roman doesn't even like using a stand-in.
I've never worked this hard in my life. And it makes everything else
that comes my way so much easier. Even painful things in my own life,
I'm like, "Ahh!" We had a premiere in L.A., and I'd done this movie
like a year and a half ago, I'd been all over the world, doing press
for the film and it's been meaning so much to me. Finally, there was
an opportunity for an American audience to see the film, and it was
in Hollywood. I couldn't wait for people to see my work in something
extremely dramatic. And then, the sound broke! They cut the film and
couldn't fix it. And it was a benefit. And it was done. No L.A. premiere.
And I swear to you, it occurred to me, you know what, considering what
this man endured, and really what this film stands for, this is so insignificant.
And that enabled me to see things in a way that I don't think I would
have been able to, had I not experienced this on a somewhat profound
level. I appreciated it so much in that moment. And I thought about
it a lot. And I thought, I was disappointed, even more for the people
who were there and paid for this benefit. And Jack Nicholson was there;
I was dying for him to see my movie. But it didn't mean that much. And
that's a real gift to be able to see things in that way. I don't know
if I'll always be able to do that, but that's a perfect example of how
it changed me, in a way that I've noticed. It's changed me in other
ways. I feel bad, sort of, asking if I can get some syrup for my pancakes!
[laughs] I should just eat them and not complain.
CF: This
is rare, for a movie to have that kind of effect.
AB: Oh yes. I strive to find material that I will grow from,
that will inspire me or educate me about some social issue that I don't
know enough about, or that I do know about, but I want to learn more,
about struggles that I haven't had to endure. And that gives you a greater
understanding of the suffering that exists in the world, and also the
joy that exists in the world. How good we have it here, also became
very clear to me. On Ken Loach's film [Bread and Roses], I learned
a great deal, as well.

Method
to the madness. "It's a great story that I lost all 30 pounds
for this role and learned to play Chopin and all that stuff. I didn't
know it was a story when I was doing it. I was just thinking, 'Oh
shit, I've got to lose all this weight in six weeks.'"
|
CF: So you
do a lot of research for such roles?
AB: I do, often. Especially if it's encouraged by the director,
when there's a place for it. I'm not someone who needs to do it for
the sake of doing it, to say that I did it... later. It's a great story
that I lost all this weight for this role [30 pounds] and learned to
play Chopin and all that stuff. I didn't know it was a story when I
was doing it. I was just thinking, "Oh shit, I've got to lose all this
weight in six weeks." And I didn't eat much. And I made it through.
It's kind of wonderful to see that physical transformation, but it made
me connect, too. Initially I did it for a technical reason. I did want
to understand the loss, this emptiness that real hunger does encourage.
It creates this whole thought process that kind of harps on emptiness.
And it's something that I didn't know, really, not to that extent. At
the time, though, I did it because it was a necessity. In Summer
of Sam, I had to embrace punk rock music. I didn't really grow up
with punk, I didn't appreciate it really, but I learned it, as I learned
to learn the fingering on the guitar. It freed me, really, because the
character was so uninhibited. That was necessary then, because I had
felt very inhibited from Thin Red Line, for the role, cultivating
all this fear. Fear is an emotion that's terrible to live with; it's
something that we try to work away from since childhood. And for that
film, I was forced to embrace it. And... I had something to be afraid
of... but it wasn't in the script! [laughs] You should be very afraid!
CF: You don't
feel fear regularly, as an actor?
AB: Sure you do. But that's exciting. As an actor, I'm not afraid
of putting myself out there. As a human being, you feel these things
in any endeavor. I remember years ago, I did a film called Ten Benny,
originally called Nothing to Lose. And I went to Sundance with
it, the first time I went, nine years ago. It was a lead role, I was
a young man, or I felt like a man, but I wasn't, I was 20. And I remember
Parker Posey was there, and she was doing all these interviews, and
I was thinking, "Wow, that must be so difficult, putting herself out
there." I was so nervous about the prospect of doing serious interviews.
And here I am, for the past few months, I've been traveling the world
discussing a very serious subject matter, and having to represent the
film, in a way, because Roman is not discussing it. And I'm sharing
personal things about myself, and being able to convey these things
without being inhibited, in a sense. If I had let that fear inhibit
me, and say, "No, I'm not going to do any interviews," it would hold
me back. Not only from helping the film and increasing awareness of
the film, which is part of the objective. But it's more interesting
to discuss things that have had a profound effect on you, even if you
have to repeat certain things, some hundreds of times. There are questions
that stimulate a thought process about serious things, and these discussions
can be incredible. I've had to formulate serious opinions about some
things. And that's very helpful, I think, for a young man. There is
value and purpose in this process, even though at times it's difficult.
And that's what's wonderful about it.
CF: What
has the process revealed to you, as you see how people respond to the
film?
AB: Everybody has an opinion. Basically, you hear all these different
perspectives, and they mention things you may not have considered, or
you mention things they may not have considered. Doing interviews is
very different from working as an actor, because it's up to the journalist
not only to understand what I'm trying to convey, but to convey that
understanding through their process. And often times it gets manipulated,
sometimes intentionally, by pulling things out of context. And that's
frustrating. But, some people may not appreciate your work and some
may be incredibly moved by it. So that isn't the concern. You have to
do what you can do, and share what you feel is appropriate to share
in the moment. And then, it's out of your control. Hopefully, most of
the time, it comes back in the right way.
CF: How does
it feel to have this preserved record of your work and thinking, sort
of "snapshots" of yourself, follow you around?
AB: It's wonderful. That's something that I really value. So
I can show my kids, someday, that I was cool. Somebody asked me the
other night on the street in Boston, "Do you know anybody who is looking
for "rolls." And I'm sure he was trying to sell me some drugs, but I
could only think, "Am I that old that I don't know the lingo?" What
rolls? What is that? I really gave it some thought. You don't want to
be out of touch when you're a young actor. And I get called on to play
a junkie, that's the first thing I'll learn.
CF: Is it
difficult to maintain contact with ordinary life, especially when you're
working on these lengthy projects, like the Malick or this one.
AB: In that moment of making the film, it's fine. The problem
is when you become so well-known that everyone is watching you and you
don't have an opportunity to observe. That's something that I'm concerned
about, because it's getting there. It's something that I don't want
to lose. I like taking the train. I like being unnoticed when I don't
feel like being noticed. It's not like I crave attention all the time.
Something that I've always loved and appreciated is the chance to see
something about someone's character, observe and kind of retain it,
and study it without feeling like I'm studying it. I have an intense
curiosity. And it would be a shame if I lose the ability to do that.
CF: And I
imagine that as the fame thing increases, people you don't know will
begin to perform for you.
AB: That's the other thing, is that people have preconceived
notions of who you are and are unable to be just themselves, some shift.
Being just yourself means you're unselfconscious in that moment. Or
maybe we're all self-conscious to an extent. You meet a pretty girl,
you're different from when you meet a tough kid on the street. So perhaps
we always are acting, in a sense. But you meet someone you feel you
admire or you "know," and it'll be different for that reason. So far,
it's an interesting ride, and I'm curious to see what I can find next.
07 January 03
Cynthia
Fuchs is film-tv-viddy editor at PopMatters.com
and Associate Professor of English/Media/African-American studies at George
Mason University.
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